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November 29, 2011

Will Obamacare Require Flu Shots?

Category: Talk — Larry @ 9:00 pm

If Obamacare continues to be enacted, the federal government will have full control over health care. (Why get your flu shot)

Do you think they will require all citizens to get flu shots? And how much will they charge us for this required vaccination each year?

It just seems like a logical next step to me. What do you think?

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13 Comments »

  1. I wonder what will be the penalty if we don’t? House restriction?

    Comment by Larry — November 29, 2011 @ 9:43 pm
  2. The following article came out in the Daily Caller today and thought it belonged here.

    Lame-duck Barney Frank joins effort to repeal Obamacare ‘death panels’
    From the dailycaller.com

    Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Barney Frank announced on Tuesday his support for the repeal of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a significant portion of President Obama’s health care overhaul.

    Frank, who announced Monday that he would retire at the end of his current term in office, became the 12th Democrat, and the 212th member of the House, to co-sponsor Tennessee Republican Rep. Phil Roe’s bill aimed at repealing the IPAB.

    Frank is the most prominent Democrat to join Roe’s bipartisan repeal effort.

    IPAB is a 15-member board, appointed by the president, scheduled to convene in 2014. In order to reduce per capita Medicare spending, the board will recommend levels at which Medicare recipients, including seniors, can be reimbursed for health care expenses.

    In March, Roe told The Daily Caller the IPAB is the “real death panel” in the health care law, as compared to “end-of-life counseling” Obamacare provisions which former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin once deemed “death panels.”

    “This one is the real baby right here — and most people missed this,” Roe told TheDC then. “What everybody was talking about, when you saw Sarah Palin and so forth, what they were talking about these advanced directives where you sit down and there’s sort of mandatory counseling — and Medicare paid for it. This IPAB got missed — and it’s the real death panel.”

    The board would cap the total amount of money Medicare recipients could receive for care. Roe, a practicing physician before he entered politics, said health care decisions will ultimately be based solely on cost, instead of on the best possible health care outcomes for Medicare patients.

    Comment by Larry — November 30, 2011 @ 7:09 pm
  3. How is the IPAB considered a “death panel”? The IPAB does not review the cases of individual patients. They set overall spending limits for the service. I believe this is to prevent healthcare providers from abusing the service by charging unreasonably high prices.

    As far as your concern about flu shots, that sounds like alarmist speculation to me. Has this actually been mentioned anywhere as a serious consideration?

    Comment by chug — December 3, 2011 @ 8:44 pm
  4. Alarmist speculation? It would absolutely be within their mandate, unless of course it got too expensive, then they could tell you that they will not cover it. Spending limits, ya know.

    Comment by Larry — December 4, 2011 @ 12:27 am
  5. If you want to drive, the govt requires you buy a license and buy insurance. I see nothing wrong with requiring people to buy health insurance, it may have to be prorated, but if you require insurance and have even a small copay, people may be less likely to abuse the system.

    Comment by givemeabreak — December 4, 2011 @ 2:59 pm
  6. If you want to drive, is a big difference here.
    And the government will decide what health insurance you will have to buy, and will cost more because it is a one size fits all. No thank you, I don’t need to pay for the pregnancy benefit included in my health insurance.

    Comment by Larry — December 5, 2011 @ 12:43 am
  7. First, should I decide not to let the government tell me that I have to buy car insurance, I have the option of not getting a Driver’s license. (remember, you always can use that wonderful, government provided public transportation that is universally available). I don’t, however have the option of not buying government mandated health insurance. Without conforming to the current administration’s most heartfelt wish that I stop living, I cannot, by choice, achieve a condition that allows me to reside in my country and Not be required to buy something I may not want.

    Second, I want you to consider this situation: a panel is set up to establish the spending rules for health care. The people on the panel are presented with statistics that a new flu vaccine has been developed to counteract a very deadly form of flu. Each dose costs $1000.

    There are 380,000,000 people covered by this government insurance policy. The latest budget shows that only $330,000,000,000 is available for vaccine purchase. Which 50,000,000 citizens don’t get the vaccine? Young? Old? Hispanic? African-American? Democrats? Republicans? How about a lottery? Decisions, decisions!

    How about agnostic liberals from the south? They will see it as a necessary contribution to the greater public welfare and gladly give up their vaccines, won’t they?

    Comment by Working Guy — December 6, 2011 @ 10:55 am
  8. givemeabreak,
    First the goverment is trying to extend its powers by grasping at the interstate commerce clause. (This may be determined unconstitional) 2nd If you do not drive a vehicle, you do not have to have car insurance. You can have a vehicle and not drive it and not get penilzed. This legislation makes EVERYONE have to purchase or get a service. They are telling me, you, everyone that if you live in the USA, you will be get health insurance or face the consequence(s). (Unconstitutional!)

    the comments about “death panels”
    Medicare pays 80% of a medical bill, you are left owing 20%, plus any deductable and copays. Now for example, the standard medical practice for cancer is 1) bloodwork ($150.00), 2) Cat Scan ($2,500), 3)chemotherapy treatments 12 weeks, ($22,000), now if the panel decides that the total payment for Cancer benefits, no matter the age of the patient, is $20,000. Now you tell me what of those important procedures is gonna be pushed to the side? Also, tell me if that was your son, daughter, mother, father, brother, sister or other loved one, would you want a benefit cap?

    Comment by wonderingwhy — December 8, 2011 @ 7:51 am
  9. For Working Guy’s scenario of the $1000 vaccine, I’m not sure how that case would play out. Obviously there would be more details to take into consideration. Such as: Why does the vaccine cost $1000? What are the effects of the illness? Who is most at risk? And what political candidates are they most likely to vote for? (just kidding) Anyways, it’s not up to the IPAB to decide who will get the vaccine since the law specifically denies them from making rationing recommendations. I would expect the vaccine to be distributed on a first-come, first-served basis.

    For wonderingwhy’s example of the cancer treatment costs: Can you imagine the public outcry there would be if Medicare was not paying for necessary treatments? The point of the IPAB is that, unlike Congress, these people are educated in healthcare and will closely follow the changes in the healthcare industry. I really don’t expect they would recommend spending limits which fall short of the average costs of a procedure.

    I agree that requiring a person to purchase health insurance is not the same as requiring a person to purchase car insurance. With car insurance, you have the option of not driving a car, and you might be liable for costs caused to another person. But you will always have the case of people whose budgets are so tight that they drop their health insurance. Sure, there’s not a whole lot that you can do for stupid, but it becomes a moral issue if you start denying necessary health treatment.

    Comment by chug — December 10, 2011 @ 4:12 pm
  10. I think chug actually believes
    “Hi, I am from the government and I am here to help.”

    Comment by Larry — December 11, 2011 @ 12:39 am
  11. Yeah? That’s kind of what I would expect. Does Medicare and Medicaid not help? Social Security? How about police and fire services? Does the military not help? I could keep naming government services that indeed help people. It’s not perfect, of course. But when we identify a problem, we should try to find leaders who will fix it. The government is supposed to be a representation of the people. When the government screws up, guess who is ultimately responsible.

    Comment by chug — December 11, 2011 @ 10:49 pm
  12. Yea we sure screwed that one up didn’t we.
    One problem is they keep adding leaders, and more leaders, and when that makes things worse they just add some more.
    Now we have a bureaucracy

    bu·reauc·ra·cy
    1. government by many bureaus, administrators, and petty officials.
    2. the body of officials and administrators, especially of a government or government department.
    3. excessive multiplication of, and concentration of power in, administrative bureaus or administrators.
    4. administration characterized by excessive red tape and routine.

    and of course the big money controls our bureaucracy.

    Comment by Larry — December 12, 2011 @ 12:21 am
  13. There is always this to drive up the costs, chug:
    from the LA Times
    Cost, need questioned in $433-million smallpox drug deal
    A company controlled by a longtime political donor gets a no-bid contract to supply an experimental remedy for a threat that may not exist. article here

    A little less government pandering to the “people” and a little more consideration for those who are footing the bill. I, for one, am sick of people being able to vote themselves an entitlement out of the public treasury. I got a damned circular in the mail the other day telling me I could get a *FREE* cell phone and minutes every month from Uncle Sam if I got food stamps or some kind of other assistance. That Great Society pendulum is going to reach its zenith and swing the other way one day. I can’t wait.

    Comment by Native Son — December 12, 2011 @ 1:07 am

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